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Post by Aero on Apr 5, 2009 20:11:43 GMT -5
It's kind of fitting how the first thread discussion of this forum pertains to that of the most prominent (or so) "protagonist."
Basically, a discussion thread on Rorschach's character. His beliefs, motives, what emotional part of him he may have left, etc...
And does anybody think that Walter may be Irish? >.>
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Post by The New Frontiersman on Apr 5, 2009 23:38:33 GMT -5
My favorite character in the graphic novel.
And does anybody think that Walter may be Irish? >.>Maybe on his father's side, Kovacs is a Hungarian name. |
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Post by Jack Kovacs on Apr 6, 2009 14:17:09 GMT -5
I believe that Kovacs is Hungarian, or Western European. Personally, he DOES look Irish.  |
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Post by seance on Apr 6, 2009 22:03:03 GMT -5
I never really thought of Rorschach's ethnic background before.
Since people seem to like making short jokes about him, I was wondering, how tall is he really? Do they ever say?
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Post by Aero on Apr 7, 2009 22:16:37 GMT -5
Malcolm Long mentioned he was 5' 6" tall in his notes. To be honest, it doesn't seem like he's that short.
Though, I guess back then men were more proud (is that the word?) of their heights.
On the ethnicity note...I do think Rorschach's dad could have been Irish. Sylvia seemed to have kept the Kovacs name, so it's possible her last husband was Hungarian or Western European. Whether Sylvia could have been Hungarian or Western European herself, I'm not sure.
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Post by Mina Murray on Apr 11, 2009 18:14:15 GMT -5
Here's something intresting about Rorschach/Walter Kovacs. I was reading something about asexuality (people who don't want and desire sex at all, nor ever want to want it.) And someone suggested that Rorschach is one.
It is plausable, he seems to look down on sex nor desires it. Though I think it's more of a phobia born from having his mother beat him everytime he would walk in on her with a client.
So that it got to the point that to him sex=pain/fear.
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Post by Aero on Apr 11, 2009 18:18:49 GMT -5
I like to think of Rorschach as an asexual, but the possibility of it being a phobia is there. I can understand what you mean by him thinking sex=pain/fear. He was exposed to the worst parts of a prostitute's lifestyle, and his mom made no means to restrict herself from beating him.
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Post by Mina Murray on Apr 13, 2009 22:31:36 GMT -5
I was also wondering what everyone thought of his voice. See when I was reading the graphic novel I read his voice as very blank absolutely dead pan. Even bored sounding, like he's bored with humanity and the world.
But I absolutely loved what Jackie Earle Haley did with the characters voice though, made him much more intense.
Also a side note on Jackies preformance:
I loved how he did Rorschach, he seemed to make him seem more human. Like someone who wanted to fit in with the world, but like he said once you see the dark side you can't turn away and pretend it isn't there.
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Post by Aero on Apr 17, 2009 23:08:20 GMT -5
I also read his voice as deadpan, but I gradually started to make it a bit gruffer after hearing the trailer and Jackie's spin on his voice. I also loved Jackie's performance. I feel he was able to draw you in as Rorschach; no...I think that he was Rorschach, in a way. I wonder if Jackie is a method actor, similar to Heath Ledger and his role as The Joker or Ken'ichi Matsuyama as L...
I was re-reading some parts where Rorschach was being psychoanalyzed by Malcolm Long, and he said something along the lines of "This world is not shaped by vague, metaphysical forces. We exist, rudderless, in a morally grey world. We shape the world, us, and only us." I feel that, from being exposed to the dark underbellies of the world, he sees that there is no God (that if he was there, then he's left them). More so, I think Rorschach being an atheist (or so it seems to me) adds a somewhat interesting kind of twist. It's in contrast to other Biblical allusions, like that of Dr. Manhattan being a God and so.
That also brings up an interesting thing: If Rorschach was an atheist, to some hardcore fanatics of religion, that means that the person should start believing in God should die. If Dr. Manhattan were to represent God, and since he killed Rorschach at the end, would that mean it's sort of saying "God will kill all those who oppose him/blaspheme/are hereticals/etc."? It was an interesting thought that suddenly occurred to me.
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Post by Mina Murray on Apr 18, 2009 8:23:21 GMT -5
Interesting theory.
I read it as like this: Dr. Manhattan was only created through the devices of men. So men created God. And God is just another device humans have created to destroy one another.
But back to Rorschach, I always thought of him as an extreme nihilist. (Which in theory could be seen as an atheist to some.) It seemed, to me at least, that he may have had faith at some point because it said he excelled at religious studies. But after the incident that turned him into Rorschach he lost what little there was left.
I'm so looking forward to the DVD if only for the commentary from the actors and director.
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Post by Aero on Apr 19, 2009 0:36:39 GMT -5
Your theory on Dr. Manhattan is also interesting. I can understand how Rorschach could have had faith before, but how it disappeared after the incident.
I don't know, but when we speak of Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach in this way, it seems like Alan Moore was being critical of religion. xD
I really want the director's cut. I think it'll be the cut where the insert Tales of the Black Freighter in the movie.
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Post by Chaos Weapon Kradia on Apr 22, 2009 1:12:19 GMT -5
...Am I the only one who thinks Doc Manhattan's behavior is similar to that of an autistic person?(is kind of an expert on autism since I do have Asperger Syndrome)
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Post by The New Frontiersman on Apr 22, 2009 17:00:40 GMT -5
...Am I the only one who thinks Doc Manhattan's behavior is similar to that of an autistic person?(is kind of an expert on autism since I do have Asperger Syndrome) I have Aspergers Syndrome as well. Small world. |
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Post by Chaos Weapon Kradia on Apr 23, 2009 23:03:30 GMT -5
O rly? Me too!
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Post by pax on May 17, 2009 22:27:42 GMT -5
You say that Rorschach is the "protagonist"... I just recently found out that technically, there is no protagonist. The characters were said to represent different kinds of justice. You probably noticed it already though. So in their own ways, they were their own protagonist, although, yes, Rorschach is the one we most relate to, whose methods and motives we don't really question.
(Random question: Did Rorschach's mask pattern change in the GN, or was it just in the movies? I never noticed.)
*feels terribly bad for being shallowish and not insightful on Watchmen.
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